I went to a hobby store today to look at rc airplanes and next door there was a gun store I didn't know was there (first time I had been to this hobby store) of course I had to go in and check it out. They had several Llama Extra 9mm/38 1911 the guy said they had got from an estate sale.
I've never seen or heard of these and the sales guy didn't know much about them, so I took the plunge and bought one, I figured I couldn't go wrong for $150.00 so said what the hell give me one.Anyone know anything about them? I did an online search and found a few forums, for ammo it seems you can fire 9mm, 38 super or 38ACP.
A few people said you shouldn't run 38 super through it, I've never heard of 9mm Largo, ammo and the gun are from Spain.So any ideas on the gun and the ammo I should be running through it? 9mm largo is an old school spanish round. They chambered it in everything from Astra semi pistols to bolt action carbines.There are similar sized rounds that may fit in the chamber. But this is inadvisable!!!! The 9mm largo isn't especially powerful. Others that are close in size are chamberings like 38 Super, and 9x23.
These rounds are MUCH hotter, MUCH higher pressure and are decidedly NOT a good idea in your llama. Expect a damaged gun, or at the very least, greatly accelerated wear. I would NOT shoot anything in that llama but the largo round. Thanks for the info guys, I will check out the links above when I get time. What I did find before posting here was that you really shouldn't shoot the 38 super or auto because of the pressures.
They had 2 more at the same price and 3 or 4 at $250.00 I asked about the price difference and he said he thought they were newer guns, those had the serrations cut into the front of the slide like what is at the back end. The barrel is in really good shape too nice and smooth with nice rifeling and the bore doesn't look worn, may have been replaced. Hell maybe I should go back and get the ones for $150.00 and sell them at the gun show and make a proffit like the poster above!There are no proof markings on it anywhere, the serial number is in the 32K range, I tried finding when It may have been made but not much luck so far, I'm figuring around 1940 or so. On the left side is GABILONDOY CIA. ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) under that is Cal. 9m/m 38 'Llama' on the right is 'Llama Extra' under that is the serial number 32. With GC inside a circle under the S#I also read the the EXTRA is because the barrel sticks out the front of the slide 1/8 inch giving it extra length.
If it shoots straight with no malfunctions I will be happy with it. I didn't get it for carry or home defense, just a plonked maybe use it as a truck gun. I guess the next thing is I will be searching for ammo for it, I had to sell all my reloading equipment a couple years ago as I needed the money really bad. Someone above stated something about having non crossive ammo for his, is largo ammo corrosive or just.milsurp ammo? I may check into putting a 9mm barrel on it too if I could do it at a reasonable price, I don't think it's worth putting much money into it. Thanks again for the info.
Originally Posted By txharleyrider:Thanks for the info guys, I will check out the links above when I get time. What I did find before posting here was that you really shouldn't shoot the 38 super or auto because of the pressures.
They had 2 more at the same price and 3 or 4 at $250.00 I asked about the price difference and he said he thought they were newer guns, those had the serrations cut into the front of the slide like what is at the back end. The barrel is in really good shape too nice and smooth with nice rifeling and the bore doesn't look worn, may have been replaced. Hell maybe I should go back and get the ones for $150.00 and sell them at the gun show and make a proffit like the poster above!There are no proof markings on it anywhere, the serial number is in the 32K range, I tried finding when It may have been made but not much luck so far, I'm figuring around 1940 or so. On the left side is GABILONDOY CIA. ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) under that is Cal.
9m/m 38 'Llama' on the right is 'Llama Extra' under that is the serial number 32. With GC inside a circle under the S#I also read the the EXTRA is because the barrel sticks out the front of the slide 1/8 inch giving it extra length. If it shoots straight with no malfunctions I will be happy with it.
I didn't get it for carry or home defense, just a plonked maybe use it as a truck gun. I guess the next thing is I will be searching for ammo for it, I had to sell all my reloading equipment a couple years ago as I needed the money really bad.
Someone above stated something about having non crossive ammo for his, is largo ammo corrosive or just.milsurp ammo? I may check into putting a 9mm barrel on it too if I could do it at a reasonable price, I don't think it's worth putting much money into it. Thanks again for the info. Originally Posted By txharleyrider:Thanks for the info guys, I will check out the links above when I get time. What I did find before posting here was that you really shouldn't shoot the 38 super or auto because of the pressures. They had 2 more at the same price and 3 or 4 at $250.00 I asked about the price difference and he said he thought they were newer guns, those had the serrations cut into the front of the slide like what is at the back end.
The barrel is in really good shape too nice and smooth with nice rifeling and the bore doesn't look worn, may have been replaced. Hell maybe I should go back and get the ones for $150.00 and sell them at the gun show and make a proffit like the poster above!There are no proof markings on it anywhere, the serial number is in the 32K range, I tried finding when It may have been made but not much luck so far, I'm figuring around 1940 or so.
On the left side is GABILONDOY CIA. ELGOIBAR (ESPANA) under that is Cal. 9m/m 38 'Llama' on the right is 'Llama Extra' under that is the serial number 32. With GC inside a circle under the S#I also read the the EXTRA is because the barrel sticks out the front of the slide 1/8 inch giving it extra length. If it shoots straight with no malfunctions I will be happy with it. I didn't get it for carry or home defense, just a plonked maybe use it as a truck gun. I guess the next thing is I will be searching for ammo for it, I had to sell all my reloading equipment a couple years ago as I needed the money really bad.
Someone above stated something about having non crossive ammo for his, is largo ammo corrosive or just.milsurp ammo? I may check into putting a 9mm barrel on it too if I could do it at a reasonable price, I don't think it's worth putting much money into it. Thanks again for the info.Let this be the pistol that gets you back into reloading.See sig line.Yeah I may have to get a Lee setup something cheap just to load for this gun then maybe in the future get back into it full fledge again. I had a couple Lee setups and then had to go all out and get a Hornady Lock N Load with all the bell and whistles.
I know most people here are die hard Dillon fan boys but I really liked the L-N-L.
Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products.
I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). To start, these are some numbers I have.
Please list model name/number, caliber, year code (if available) and serial number.' Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 45680'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46306'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46883Model II - 380 ACP - 1943 - 70989Model I - 32 ACP - 1943 - 72994 (German GECO marked)Model II - 380 ACP - 1944 - 78290Model I - 32 ACP - 1944 - 84482'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1944 - 89123Model IIIA - 380 ACP - (don't have year handy) - 739813. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have come to the conclusion that my pistol is a X-A and not a X. I have read that the Model X-A had a grip safety added when production of this model began in 1954.
Although mine has a date code of V (1951), it has a grip safety. It has a lanyard ring, arched mainspring housing and checkered wood grips with no Llama medallion. The serial number is 1471xx which would put it around 2000 after yours. The slide has a rounded top with no sight ramp. It did not come with a box so I have no idea how it was classified when it originally sold.
I will change the designation on the database list. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot.Regards, Cal44. I am researching a mark on my.380 Llama with serial number 6XXXX. On the right side just below the serial number is G.C in a circle. The letters are scroll. From my research, I think this is a German distributor, but I don't think it is Geco. Once site gave a differant mark for Gustav Genschow and coompany of Berlin an ammunition manufacturer who also made some rifles, mostly.22 Another site suggested that it might be the mark of the Spanish manufaturer, but that mark does not appear on most of the small frame Llamas that I have seen.
I lost a gunbroker auction on a similarly marked.32 or.380, a couple months ago, but can not find it in the advanced search so it might have been longer. This particular pistol was Nazi marked and the seller gave the name of the company that the mark belonged to, but I can't remember it. The winning bid was over $900. The pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched.
That being the case, I would think it very rare as it is the first I have seen. The germans 'adopted' many commercial pistols to equip their military, Belgian, Polish, Italian etc., but I have never seen a commercial Llama. I got interested in the baby Llamas because they were pretty well made minature 1911s.
I have a.22, a.32 (both post war) and the.380 which dates to 1942-1943. Any help on the mark would be appreciated.Let me know about the springs. If springs in the.32 and.380 problems as well? If so, any suggestions as to where I might pick up a couple. I won't shoot them much, but would like to get a couple of each just in case.my son and daughter might appreciate that when they go to sell 'emm after I'm gone. QUOTE=larryh11Hi Bill,Welcome to the forum!Does your Llama say MicroMax on it? I don't think that model came out until the 90s.By your date code I bet you have the III-A which is not marked anywhere on the slide.R.1 was made in 1973.
Does your slide say 'Especial' on it? Is it a locked breechmodel? (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). That is all helpful when you look forparts or other information on your pistol.
Just trying to help!!LarryWell Larry, Thanks so much for the help! You are correct! The gun is exactly as you said. Thanks again for the information!Bill.
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Personally, I am pleased with the Max series from Llama. I am sorry it didn't keep them from going under. They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. I've had several and the quality is suspect, at best. The one I have now may end up being a good shooter but I'm still tinkering with it. Time will tell. However, my Max I 9mm Govt size is the best 9mm shooter I have.
It is solid, reliable, accurate and the weight handles the 9mm recoil like a dream. All the Max series Llamas I've owned or worked on are solid. Any Llama lover needs to have 1 in their collection, IMO. Hi am very new to this I used to own a LLama comanche 3 6' barrel in 357 in the mid 70's. Have just purchased another 357 Llama comanche 6' barrel but can not find out when it was manufactured the serial no is 938864. Yes it looked short to me as well but thats what it says.
Could you let me know what year it is or where i could obtain this information, please. I have looked for the original paper work for the new Llama in the 70's as that could tell me the serial no of the gun i bought new then.Which it could then compare with the one i just purchased. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hi.I'm brand new to this. Was looking for info on a pistol I recently acquired through an estate and found this board. It is new in box, still in cosmoline with the pistol and metal cleaning rod remaining in the factory plastic bags, magazine and paperwork loose in box. Sold new in Seattle, Wa 10/17/68 for $49.97 along with a box of Peters 95gr metal case round nose for $4.57.
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Including sales tax of $2.45, the invoice was for $56.99! Was purchased and put in a desk drawer, never to see the light of day for 44yrs.purchasers widow gave it to me as a Xmas gift last year. Blued with walnut grips and no lanyard ring. N.1 serial 441400. A beautiful little time capsule!!
I had to register, this place has so much information.:)Just this weekend I acquired two Spanish pistols, an Astra and a Llama.The Llama is an XV Especial, 1956, serial number 1X0707. We think that second digit could be a 9, but it is poorly stamped so it could be a 3 or 8 too.Has light rust all over, is missing the extractor, very worn wood grips with the yellow metal Llama name stamp.This gun is an adorable little thing, and looks like my other two pistols had a baby. Ruger MarkIII.22 crossed with a Kimber 1911.45.I've been doing a lot of reading already, and I am hopeful to find a compatible extractor for the Llama, although it sounds like it may function without it.Sounds like the recoil spring is a weak area and hard to get, but then I saw that a few springs were available last year or so, so I am hopeful of finding a spare spring also.I greatly appreciate the resource of such a large gun collectors forum! I'll have plenty of reading to do, there is a lot to learn here. I have a Llama Extra I inherited from my dad in the late l980s. Don't know how long he had it.Markings on left side are: (top line):Gabiiondo Y Cia elgoibar(ESPANA).
(bottom line): CAL 9 m/m 38 'LLAMA'Markings on right side are: (slide): 'LLAMA' EXTRA (receiver): SN# 35975 (below and slightly left): 'gc' in an oval which apparently is the trademark of Gabiiondo and Cia.I don't know if my dad ever fired it. It is in excellent condition and since 1992 I have fired about 5,000 rounds of.38 Super standard and +P loads with no pressure problems whatsoever. When I first started shooting it, it fired about four inches high and four inches to the left at 25 feet. I corrected the left strike by adjusting the rear sight.
It now shoots about four inches low but dead center. Several weeks ago after shooting about 60 rounds loaded with 3.1 grains of Bullseye powder and a 153 grain Lee LRN cast bullet, I was able to score 93 out of a possible 100 with three bullseyes by compensating for the drop in my sight picture. Shortly after that, I changed to a Fiocchi commercial load with a 129 jacketed round nose bullet and fired 10 shots into a 2-inch circle.the best grouping I have ever had.
Ordinarily the extreme spread of a group has been about 8-inches.When I originally started reloading for this pistol, I selected the Lee 153 grain bullet because my research said the.38 Super was developed to have the same impact as a.45 without the heavy recoil. Using that information, I determined, rightly or wrongly, that the heavy bullet would be appropriate to meet that objective. But I always had accuracy problems. This summer I spent hours working up loads to finally get to the load mentioned above. After my experiece with the Fiocchi, I started working on loads with a 125 grain Lee LRN cast bullet and I'm getting pretty good accuracy with Winchester 231 powder at 4.7 grains. Interestingly, Fiocchi does not specify what powder it is using but I took one of their bullets apart and weighed the powder. It came in at 4.7 grains but the texture, while similar, did not match the texture of the W231.
Plus, their bullet is 4 grains heavier than the Lee bullet.Recently I replaced the original barrel with a stock 6-inch roto barrel from Sarco. The barrel fit perfectly and the stock barrel bushing from Sarco was very snug as it should be. The original barrel bushing is quite loose. On first firing of the new barrel, I had to hit the slide with the palm of my hand to get it to close but after firing about 30 rounds, it started functioning as well as it had with the original barrel. This was expected and is normal in breaking in new parts.
However the new barrel still fires about four inches low. I have now replaced the original slide stop pin with a stock.45 slide stop, again from Sarco, which also fit perfectly and much more snuggly than the original slide stop. It has also been recommended that I replace the rear sight with a taller one or with an adjustable sight to obtain a zero adjustment and I am looking into that. Midway has a tall profile sight that should fit the dovetail for $14 and also has a Springfield Armory adjustable rear sight with a Novak cut dovetail tenon for $44. I would rather have the adjustable sight but I've been told I will have to file the dovetail groove significantly to get the Novak tenon to fit and I'm hesitant to do that.
I'm gonna continue looking to see if I can find an adjustable rear sight that will fit the standard miltary dovetail.There has been some mention here and other websites that.38 Super should not be fired in this pistol citing that it was designed for the much lower pressures of the.38 Auto. However, this thinking ignores the fact that the specifications of the 9mm Largo, which the Llama was also deslgned fo,r very closely match the specs of the.38 Super on the lower end.
In working up loads for the 153 grain bullet I had some muzzle velocities that exceeded 2000 fps with no pressure problems. However, when I exceeded 1500 fps, I quickly stopped firing those loads because I was uncomfortable with both the sound of the shot and the recoil. I have attempted to keep muzzle veolcities at about 1100 fps which is where I am getting my best accuracy and where pressures are more in keeping with the specifications of the.38 Super standard loads.
I do not load +P loads and have not chronographed any of the commercial +P loads that I have fired but I have encountered no pressure problems with commercial +P and the gun functions well when I use them.There has also been information related on various websites that standard replacement parts for the military Colt.45 may or may not fit the Llama Extra, My experience so far is that every part I have purchased from Sarco has fit perfectly. This would indicate that replacent parts that fit any military M1911A1, regardless of supplier, should fit the Llama Extra,There has also been speculation that the Llama Extra could be converted to.45 by changing out the barrel, bushing, magazine and slide. The new barrel that I installed has the same outside diameter as the Sarco.45 barrel and with the Sarco bushing it fits the Llama slide perfectly. This being the case, it should be possible to replace the Sarco.38 Super barrel with the Sarco.45 barrel and using the Saeco bushing, completely convert the weapon to.45.assuming that a.45 maqazine will work in the Llama.without the major expense of replacing the slide. I have tested a.45 Commander magazine in the Llama and it seemed to fit properly but the commander slide would not work so I was unable to cycle the weapon to check feed.
At the time, I did not think to check the function with my slide in place. I also cannot speculate on how extraction and ejection will function without testing.Once I complete my accurizing project, I may move forward with a.45 conversion. Since it appears that it would not be necessary to replace the slide, it appears the conversion could be done fairly inexpensively.I don't know the age of this pistol but I've been told that if it has no date proof it is pre-1929.
In any case, it has become my favorite pistol of half a dozen that I own and the one I shoot most. It's a great gun in beautiful condition and far better than the U.S. Government.45s I trained with when I was in the army.This information is provided for the benefit of those who have questions about the Llama Extra and are based solely on my personal experience with this specific pistol. No recommendations are made or implied as to whether these experiences and procedures will work with any other Llama Extra.
Any modification or changes made by any individual to their own weaon based on this information should be done at their own risk and with extreme caution.I realize that this is the serial number thread and if this is too much information here, I would ask the moderator to move it to a better location.ThanksLen. Hi Len,Welcome to the board and thanks for a nice write up.
It sounds like you know what you're doing with the 9mm Largo/.38 Auto/.38 Super setup. Llama did come out with a 9mm largo/.38 Super barrel/gun a little later. If you have the proper recoil springs and you now have a correct barrel I see no problems with your shooting setup.As for converting it to a.45 ACP, it has been done with the M1911 models with the proper extractor and ejector.
In the M1911 platform, there are dedicated extractors for the 9mm rounds and you can swap out the ejectors and get the longer and shorter 9mm installed. In the Llama Extra, the ejector is not replacable and you cannot find the extractors. If you know a good gunsmith or someone who can work with hard steel, you should have a couple of extractors made because if yours breaks or chips, you will have a nice paperweight.
If you know someone, he may be able to make a 9mm extractor as well. IMO, you'd be better off getting a.45ACP upper and see if the ejector fares well enough to make it work for you. A Llama.45ACP upper may work the best but if you have the proper equipment you should be able to modify any.45ACP slide to fit on your frame.
In my experience, the frame rails and the slide rails do not line up properly when going from a Llama.45ACP to a mil-spec.45ACP slide but with some fine tuning you can get it to work. The ejector is the only issue and if you break it, the gun is useless as the ejector is built into the frame, not a separate part added on.You have a great handle on reloading for it. If you stay at 1100fps, you are in 9mm Luger range and should be fine. The only commercial.38 Super I see for sale is +p rated and that was where issues with frame battering and a different sized chamber could have come into play but you seemed to have overcome that.Good luck and keep us posted!Pictures are always welcome.It sounds like you have a beautiful gun. Larry - I truly appreciate your comments and insight. The last thing I want to do is convert my Llama to a paper weight. You provided me with some important information that I had not found in my research.that being the fact that the ejector is not replaceable and that a standard 1911 extractor will not fit the Llama.When I ordered the new barrel, I did not order a new bushing because I thought the Llama bushing might fit.
So I then ordered the Sarco bushing but I had to add some stuff to the order to hit the $19.00 minimum and I threw in a firing pin and extractor, neither of which I have tried. Based on what you say, it looks like I'll find that the extractor doesn't fit. I wonder about the firing pin as well.After getting your comments, I took a close look at the ejector and now understand what you're talking about. The ejector is machined into the frame so if it breaks, you're done. If you have a good machinist capable of making an extractor, I believe that person would also be capable of grinding off the original ejector and machining a replacement which would pin onto the frame like the ejector on a government model 1911. That, of course, would be an expensive fix but I think it could be done. Unfortunately, I expect the cost of that repair would far exceed the real value of the gun and would simultaneously destroy the historical value.
Further, it would be far cheaper to buy a new pistol than to undertake those kinds of repairs and modifications. At this point the ejector appears to be in great shape with just a little normal wear on the lower right corner. And, it's kicking cases out 10-15 feet behind me when I fire it. The extractor also shows nominal wear on the face but the edge is crisp and sharp so assuming reasonable care and nomal loads it should be OK as well.At age 75, this Llama Extra should far outlast me, though I may try to pick up a Rock Island Armory in.38 Super as something else to tinker with and to save wear and tear on the Llama. One I get it shooting well enough that a stranger can take it to the range and get somewhere close to the bull on the first shot, I think I'll be done tinkering with this gun.Thanks very much for your comments.
They were really helpful.Len. I'm told it's a Llama IX-B from 1982.I have a.45 caliber Llama that looks like the photo on the LlamaPage.html on www.carbinesforcollectors.com (has SN B39037, imported by Stoeger Ind. It also has 6.2 over the trigger on the left side, but the decimal is between the top of the numbers so it's probably not a decimal. It has a Z stamped on the right side of the trigger guard, and what a appears to be a little bomb stamped in several places. The grip safety is polished and plated either nickel or chrome. I first saw this pistol about 1980; it belonged to the wife of a man that became a good friend and he gave it to me several years ago after his wife died. Can you tell me anything about it?Bob.
That's the closest comparison I found and I agree it is an incredible pistol zero failures of any kind even with some extended mags I made for it. Also it doesn't have the vent rib on the top of the slide, it has grooves. Was the XV model made slightly different over the years and also if you can tell me what is an especial over an XV? Thank you.The XV model is their.22ACP semi-auto pistol. It changed over the years, mainly the slide and components of it like the rear sight, extractor, firing pin, raised rib, etc.IMO, the Especial line was their best product.
It seemed to have the best machining and blueing. To me, it was just marketing (adding the word Especial) because the models were still the same but I seek out the Especial pistols when I look to buy. They stopped the Especial line in the 70s and the quality also seemed to slip a bit starting at the time they dropped the designation. So, you can have a later model XV that is not an Especial and you can have an earlier model XV that is an Especial. My LLAMA.45 calMAX-I-L/FGABILONDOY CIA VITORIA(ESPANA)07-04- on one side of the trigger guard00829-95 on the otherYour Max I L/F was made in 1995.IMO, the Max series on the large frame Llamas was their best (and last) attempt at the 1911 market. It is the closest to the mil-spec designand I've found them to be excellent shooters. I have a Max I L/F in 9mm that I'd put up against any 9mm 1911 out there.
When you considerthe price of 1911s in 9mm, you can't beat the Llama Max series for price and reliability. I'd have no issues putting down $350 for a LlamaMax series large frame pistol if I wanted a 1911 type handgun. Their C/F (compact frame) models in the Max series are also nice guns for the money but the L/F models are spot on.
The XV model is their.22ACP semi-auto pistol. It changed over the years, mainly the slide and components of it like the rear sight, extractor, firing pin, raised rib, etc.IMO, the Especial line was their best product. It seemed to have the best machining and blueing. To me, it was just marketing (adding the word Especial) because the models were still the same but I seek out the Especial pistols when I look to buy. They stopped the Especial line in the 70s and the quality also seemed to slip a bit starting at the time they dropped the designation. So, you can have a later model XV that is not an Especial and you can have an earlier model XV that is an Especial.thank you, I also noticed the.22 especial has a saddle ring.
I only own one Llama. I inherited it with a shoulder holster from my older brother two years ago. He carried it on stakeouts. It's data is as follows:Slide legend right side- GABILONDO Y CIA. I also have two later Llama's, a.380 with raised rib, and a.22 with raised rib without the serrations. The.380, 1966, very poor quality fitup, and finish nothing to brag on, ser #36767.
And the.22 1972 ser #54542. It has the GCA68 thumb ledge plastic grips. Another proof that congress is populated by idiots going back at least to 1968. It just figures to a congressperson that if the left grip has a thumb ledge sticking out no criminal would want to buy it to knock over a bank or convenience store, but the folks wanting a gun for 'sporting purposes' would like that, sheesh! Way over the top of standard idiot think I'm guessing. I think they had the right idea with pink guns, but that was S&W, not congress, heh heh. Can you imagine a bank robber with a pink gun?
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Even Patty Hearst woudn't want pink. #1) Model IV (? See pic), no grip safety, blank right slide, 1941 date, 9x23/.38ACP S/N 51170(same barrel length as the Extra), missing the lanyard ring.#2) Model V 'Extra', grip safety, 'LLAMA EXTRA' on right side of slide, 1941, 9x23/.38ACP, S/N 48292both have all proofs, are all matching (assembly numbers etc) with original finish, no import/export markings.I'm not that familiar with the Llama, I mostly collect German pistols and Stars so not sure what is considered a Model IV or Model V.What I'm calling a Model IV is the same as the previous post, which was designated as a Model V. I have a.380 I think it's a IIIa I bought it to use while I worked a security job while I was in college in1974 or75.it's serial # is 6787xx and appears to have been hand stamped. 2 additions to the Spanish family.Astra Cadix 38 Special(357 Magnum((http://s342.photobucket.com/user/larryh1108/media/Llamas/Llama%20357%20right.jpg.html). Llama EXTRA 9mm/38 Mine is #462.LL-1940.Did not work using parts from colt M1911 Government model it works great and the 38super 1911 Government magazine no hangups.
9mm Largo what a nightmare price for ammo and 38 super so I have done some math and found that there are usable ammo-38Automatic Colt Pistol or 38acp -and 1/5 of the 38super and 38super+P ammo. Old 9mm Largo muzzle vol. From 980 to 1180fps and muzzle energy @ 350-430ft/lbs the CCI Blazer @1190fps and the 1 that I will never shoot is the 1981 S.A. TOLEDO @1300fps and 485ft.lbs as Published on the 9mm LARGO AMMO. How ever 38super 4 out 10 have turned out to be no more than muzzle vol. Or muzzle energy than the old 9Largo. You can check the Specs yourself at 38 Super factory ammo 38super.net.I also found that the Federal #AE38SA 115gr.
Hollow point @1130 and 326 info on its web page is the sweetest one i ever used and saving the brass to reload.Love it.Mine is a 1940 and i don't shoot the largo but I do have a full case of S/B September 14,1966 wood case full and 800 rounds of 1962,1948 and 1945 guess they will be worth a lot 1 day. I have a Llama CABILONDOyCiaVITORA (Espana) IIIA cal 380 as stamped on the left side of the slide. Also a proof mark which looks like a shield with a X inside with two marks I can't make out and next to that is a 1 and a (what I call a flaming pot) Mini 1911 with grip safety. It does have STOEGER ARMS and Hackensack N.J. On the right side on the frame above the Ser # 5952xx. Can anyone tell me any more about it?
It is is fine shape with little or no wear on the blueing. Got it years ago in the early 90's in a pawn shop.Thanks.
380 #205764 (1950?)No date code to be found on the gun.are the only markings I can find:from my LGUS991 using Tapatalk. New member here. I recently picked up a Llama VII Extra in 9mm Largo /.38 ACP. Serial number 29536. The major components are stamped with a '936' and there's a 'C' stamped by the mag release and a '7' stamped on the rear of the grip under the right-side grip.
Lastly, the 'GC' mark can be seen on the frame right below the serial number.The markings on the slide are all but obliterated. The 'ELG' from ELGOIBAR can be seen, as well as an 'A' from ESPANA. Part of the '/m' from 9 m/m and the '38' can be seen along with either an 'L' for Llama or an 'E' for extra.Based on the serial number data base from www.CarbinesForCollectors.com, this gun was made in 1933. Hello, Recently purchased Llama XV serial 176538, date code 1955.https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701946&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701914&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701946&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701962&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701906&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701930&d=. Bama, When you shoot your.22 if you have any problems with cartridges not firing, before going into melt down and doing all the ghost chasing I did on one of mine with those problems.check with Larry1108 he has cure all firing pins that do wonders. The vent rib pistol was the offender and I was about ready to bury it in the back yard.now bangs away with anything I feed it.Update: June 18. Used the Llama.22 to clear out a trap with 13 feral Texas hogs inside.the little.22 put them down with apparent ease when shots were placed properly.
The AR is for size comparison only. Mine is date code F1, from 1960. There are subtle differences.
The serial number is 248xxx.Hello, Recently purchased Llama XV serial 176538, date code 1955.https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701946&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701914&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701946&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701962&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701906&d=https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2701930&d=. QUOTE=Bob In St. Louis;1526394Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). To start, these are some numbers I have.
Please list model name/number, caliber, year code (if available) and serial number.' Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 45680'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46306'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46883Model II - 380 ACP - 1943 - 70989Model I - 32 ACP - 1943 - 72994 (German GECO marked)Model II - 380 ACP - 1944 - 78290Model I - 32 ACP - 1944 - 84482'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1944 - 89123Model IIIA - 380 ACP - (don't have year handy) - 739813/Sir can u plz tell me how I can determine the age or mfg of aLlama super 38/9 I believe it’s a model 8 according to BevFletcher ‘s info. The SN is 73372 is there something else Ineed to provide?Thank u sir.